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 Post subject: Re: Recycle your old EV.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:40 am 
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I haven’t managed to find it but, apparently someone has done a conversion on a 928?
Regardless of how far it will go on a charge, it’s got to be better than petrol, I’m getting 14.5 mpg with sensible driving from mine!


Mine gets 21mpg


Really! That's impressive - I'm no where near that and I don't thrash it?
I've spent hours no looking at electric conversions - some of the DIY stuff is brilliant. Electrics aren't my strong point but, maybe in a few years as prices come down, maybe it will be the 'sensible' option?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:12 pm 
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But the V8 is the 928... Would an electric one be the same? It would be faster certainly, but it would no longer be a 928.

I don't get 21 if I floor it but it makes a great noise.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:34 pm 
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pete wrote:
But the V8 is the 928... Would an electric one be the same? It would be faster certainly, but it would no longer be a 928.

I don't get 21 if I floor it but it makes a great noise.


I agree. I wouldn’t really consider it unless an engine problem arose that made it financially unviable to repair/rebuild.
However, I think a 924 which is considerably smaller and lighter would make an excellent electric vehicle - with a massive hike in performance!!

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Westfield have very recently taken over Chesil and are intending to offer an electric 356 Speedster at just a little more than the price of a petrol model. It works off a Tesla battery and an aftermarket electric motor.



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Yes, these guys seem to be out in front when it comes to electric conversions, I’ve seen quite a few of theirs now, very useable and well executed!
The more I read about converting an older vehicle to electric, I get the impression that it almost seems too easy and I’m guessing I’m missing something major?
The most difficult bit seems to be mating up the drive train? The rest of it seems relatively simple?

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It IS pretty simple, and an electric motor is much smaller and easier to control - but don't forget that without the ICE you lose the hot coolant for heating the cabin and the vacuum for the brake booster, so they have to be replaced with electric versions, and you also lose the power steering pump on some cars. But losing the engine, gearbox, fuel tank, pumps and pipes, cooling system, starter motor, alternator etc. makes up for it.

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...but does losing the luggage capacity...?

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It IS pretty simple, and an electric motor is much smaller and easier to control - but don't forget that without the ICE you lose the hot coolant for heating the cabin and the vacuum for the brake booster, so they have to be replaced with electric versions, and you also lose the power steering pump on some cars. But losing the engine, gearbox, fuel tank, pumps and pipes, cooling system, starter motor, alternator etc. makes up for it.


Yes, I’ve read about some of the issues that come to light when the engine goes, the big one seems to be the heater!!
I have read about a ‘ceramic heater’ that is used in EV’s and a few people have come up with simple rectifications for the brake booster.

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...but does losing the luggage capacity...?


From what I have seen, a simple tray could installed above the electric motor in the engine bay for the battery pack, keeping the boot free.
Second hand battery packs seem to be between £700 and £2500 which obviously sounds a lot but, when offset against zero fuel costs and zero RFL, it wouldn’t take long to recoup?

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To get a decent range you will need batteries in the back as well as front and also to fine-tune balancing the front-back weight. Boxing down from the boot and under the rear seat into the old fuel tank area will help out quite a bit but it would need re-enforcement.

The engine bay will be massive without the radiator but you need to retain a cooling airflow for the motor and controller as well as the batteries. Some EV cars have fluid cooling for the batteries, in my opinion you can't do enough to pamper lithium batteries which are inherently dangerous things.

The standard 924 will be difficult to heat in winter, it expects a decent air-flow which travels through the sills and doors to keep the innards dry. It would probably be best to wax the sills etc and close off the internal ventilation through them. Loads of insulation would help as well.

The main problem will be putting it through IVA afterwards if there have been structural changes to the chassis, there are loads of modern rules you have to obey.

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