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 Post subject: Re: Rear shocks for S/944 NLA. Options?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:31 pm 
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I think the point we're trying to make is just fit them. If you're worried about the exposed sleeve get a bush and cut it in half and trim it to fit.

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Installed, albeit coilover, but same mounting. Sleeve is offset to give coilover some clearance.


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Carrera RSR wrote:
The GAZ set is Correct!! No redesigning necessary :bang: the rubber or additional rubber/poly sleeve is totally redundant.

Marks race car rear suspension.



That bottom mount is a rose joint!

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Bilstein B6 with sleeve and rubber. Sleeve is not entirely shrouded in rubber exposing the sleeve ends


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:49 pm 
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Flush fit. Still the same sleeve inside the rubber. Same bolt inside the sleeve. No structural differences to the GAZ, KYB, Bilstein. It’s only the bolt and sleeve that touch the trailing arm


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I'm not disagreeing with you Steve, perhaps it would be better if Mike posted a picture of what he has, it was the drawing that is perhaps misleading.

The last picture you posted isnt the same as the drawing Mike did but as you say Gaz know what they are doing ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:25 am 
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Carrera RSR wrote:
Installed, albeit coilover, but same mounting. Sleeve is offset to give coilover some clearance.


This may sound sarcastic, and it’s not in anyway intended to be but, when I look at that set up and see that gap, it just screams ‘wrong’.
I fully accept that this is the norm but, it doesn’t mean it’s right?
My original train of thought still stands, if the bush and wider mount that the collar and bush fits into wasn’t necessarily, why did Porsche/Sachs manufacture it that way?

I apologise if I’m frustrating people but, when you look at the sentence above, my point/query, regardless of being right or wrong, is quite simple.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:28 am 
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I am going to have a look at mine tomorrow now and see what they are like ( SACHS). I think its a very interesting topic that we will all learn from and look forward to read and learn more about 924S suspension....

For reference I post some interesting pics of the KYB shocks for the 924S ( from ebay )


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:02 pm 
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I’d guess the wider ones could have cheaper/lower technology rubber bushes in them.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:10 pm 
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mike.gamble wrote:
Carrera RSR wrote:
Installed, albeit coilover, but same mounting. Sleeve is offset to give coilover some clearance.


This may sound sarcastic, and it’s not in anyway intended to be but, when I look at that set up and see that gap, it just screams ‘wrong’.
I fully accept that this is the norm but, it doesn’t mean it’s right?
My original train of thought still stands, if the bush and wider mount that the collar and bush fits into wasn’t necessarily, why did Porsche/Sachs manufacture it that way?

I apologise if I’m frustrating people but, when you look at the sentence above, my point/query, regardless of being right or wrong, is quite simple.


No problem Mike. All here to help and learn from each other. If I am wrong, please tell me. And I accept sarcasm, criticism and abuse well :grin:

Because it looks wrong, is it wrong? 100% get that the wider bush carrier, bush and sleeve on some shocks looks better/right, stronger and more complete as a mounting point, but ultimately whether rubber bushed or rose jointed its only the sleeve and bolt which butt up to the trailing arm. Any shock rubber or metal that is too close to the arm could bind. I think sometimes what was right in 1985 may not be right in 2019. If GAZ, Spax, Bilstein, KYB thought the joint between shock, bush carrier, bush, sleeve and bolt was being compromised and weaken'd by lack of size or completeness they would certainly not produce it in that way. Given the original Sachs, Koni, Bilsteins with the full width bush carrier and bush appears to be not in production now the nearest option will have to do unless your search uncovers some new old stock in the market place. Think of all the 924S, 944's and 968's which need rear suspension dampers. I can't believe all options are now dead and that the options that are in the market are in any way sub standard.

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