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 Post subject: Electric 924 ?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:06 am 
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How about converting a 924 ? Sorry Stan :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:14 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:19 am 
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Its the very near future...........

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:25 am 
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Been thinking about an electric 924 for quite a few years now.
There is at least one guy in the US who did a conversion a few years ago.
It makes no sense unless the integration is seamless and the character of the car is maintained somehow.
With a tesla drive train and batteries...maybe it would make sense...if weight can be kept around the factory level and power limited to maybe 944 level to keep mileage decent.
Batteries up front, drive train in the rear...its an interesting idea...no more hot-start problems :P


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:34 am 
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There's been at least three e-924s, they have got to be the ultimate sleeper, shed loads of space front and back for batteries.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:34 am 
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morghen wrote:
Been thinking about an electric 924 for quite a few years now.
There is at least one guy in the US who did a conversion a few years ago.
It makes no sense unless the integration is seamless and the character of the car is maintained somehow.
With a tesla drive train and batteries...maybe it would make sense...if weight can be kept around the factory level and power limited to maybe 944 level to keep mileage decent.
Batteries up front, drive train in the rear...its an interesting idea...no more hot-start problems :P


Bolt the motor to the bell housing and retain the TT and gearbox. Batteries can be balanced between the engine bay and fuel tank space to keep a 50/50 balance. Will retain driving character of the 924. You can pull away in ANY gear, usually 2nd or 3rd, even 4th. First is almost redundant. Around town it would feel like an auto not needing to change gears at all, no clutch use needed. Out on the open road you can stir the box a little to match rpms and be more economical on battery use.

Companies in US and UK converting classics from £15-25k using Tesla motors, batteries and on board chargers.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:28 am 
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Yeah, but a tesla motor housing and output is already made to fit on the rear axle...so it would be easier to just create mounting points for the complete tesla rear drive train on the 924 body and simply place the batteries to balance in the front of the car.
Also, removing the TT and gearbox would save dead weight..which is important as if you want to add the complete battery pack and drive train of the Tesla its about 900Kg.
924 engine is about 160kg wet, exhaust and stuff around the engine is another 40, gearbox and stuff around it probably 100.
Fuel, TT and smaller bits are like 100 so in total one saves about 300Kg but adds 900Kg.

924 would weigh 1750Kg..thats massive...but would probably have a longer range than the Tesla so maybe 80% of the battery pack can be used to limit the weight to about 1600Kg and keep things sensible by also limiting the power output to equivalent of 200hp...would need 944 turbo brakes and proper stiff suspension.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:41 pm 
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I guess depends on whether you want 100km or 400km range. Can save 2-300kg of the 900kg if you are aiming for 150km which to be fair is what we have on the Leaf. Just means you stop for 30minute coffee/toilet break if planning on exceeding this. 80% recharge in 20-30mins.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:54 pm 
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I think electric cars are not far from being useable.
If one would get a guaranteed 300Km in worst conditions and a 15min full recharge time it would make sense to almost completely abandon the petrol engines for passenger cars.


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..and when the Government realises that the loss of revenue from petrol/diesel is unsustainable, what will happen to the cost of recharging EV's? There is a definate swing in favour of the EV from the annual cost view at the moment, but a large proportion of other fuel costs is tax levied by the government, it will have to be recovered by some means.

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