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 Post subject: Re: 82 924 with Audi V8
PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:09 am 
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Ah cool. With regards the gearbox sensor, there is a uk company (actually just 1 guy who’s clever with electronics!) that make a little box which you splice into the sensor wiring. You then do some sort of ‘learn mode’ and it will convert whatever signal the sensor is giving to the range you want to see on the instrument cluster. I chatted with him at the NEC expo and seems it will work for temp sensors, fuel senders, ABs trigger wheels etc etc.

I was interested for a couple of reasons! 1) I have a 968 6-speed gearbox to fit to my car but needs me to fit the later plastic 944 tank which uses a different fuel sender so would help me get that working. Then second I am in the process of building a 16v cylinder head for the 924. It’s a Ford Duratec head so thought I’d use the engine wiring harness, but since I build my 924 wiring harness (largely using eBay components which have been crap quality!) I’ve had a range of issues with it! I’ve now bought an entire fulll body wiring harness from the Ford hoping to integrate it all into the 924 to keep the Porsche switches and clocks, but use the wiring, guess board and connectors from the Ford.

Sounds like we both have our work cut out!!

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 Post subject: Re: 82 924 with Audi V8
PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:10 am 
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Ah cool. With regards the gearbox sensor, there is a uk company (actually just 1 guy who’s clever with electronics!) that make a little box which you splice into the sensor wiring. You then do some sort of ‘learn mode’ and it will convert whatever signal the sensor is giving to the range you want to see on the instrument cluster. I chatted with him at the NEC expo and seems it will work for temp sensors, fuel senders, ABs trigger wheels etc etc.

I was interested for a couple of reasons! 1) I have a 968 6-speed gearbox to fit to my car but needs me to fit the later plastic 944 tank which uses a different fuel sender so would help me get that working. Then second I am in the process of building a 16v cylinder head for the 924. It’s a Ford Duratec head so thought I’d use the engine wiring harness, but since I build my 924 wiring harness (largely using eBay components which have been crap quality!) I’ve had a range of issues with it! I’ve now bought an entire fulll body wiring harness from the Ford hoping to integrate it all into the 924 to keep the Porsche switches and clocks, but use the wiring, guess board and connectors from the Ford.

Sounds like we both have our work cut out!!

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Hey man, that would be pretty cool to see in action with that signal box. I know you can get the hall effect style sensor for the 968 gearbox, but it can be costly.

From my reading the A8 96 to 05 uses a sensor affixed to the drivers side of the gearbox and runs off the Diff, just like the 85.5 and up 944s. I will also be using a larger plastic tank from the 944s and will be having fun mounting it and all and making the mount points for the later model turbo gearbox. going to be crazy none the less lol. If you need wiring Diagrams I could dig you up some if you get me the year and model of the Ford you are using your stuff from. I do also have the German printed 944 manuals from 82 to 91, i know the early 944s had a lot of the same wiring as the 924s. I will check you thread out for sure. also enjoy seeing the stuff people come up with. also feel free to email me: gollten1986@gmail and we can bounce information off each other on the wiring and all.

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1985.5 944 NA *3.0L 16V swapped* Own
1987 944 Turbo *3.0l 8V* Own.
1987 944 NA Own
1991 944S2 Own
2001 VW Passat, *2.7T S4 Swapped* Own
1985.5 944NA Sold to younger brother
1983 944NA, Traded for another 1983 944NA
1983 944NA Gave to my Dad for being Awesome.


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 Post subject: Re: 82 924 with Audi V8
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:45 am 
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I am having fun and because I do not care about OEM look lol. Learning this material has been really cool too. Also this blue material is very good quality compared to the black stuff I was using. I will be ordering in more blue material and redoing the plaid. try to get the lines as straight as possible.
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1982 924 *Audi V8 Swap In Progress*
1985.5 944 NA *3.0L 16V swapped* Own
1987 944 Turbo *3.0l 8V* Own.
1987 944 NA Own
1991 944S2 Own
2001 VW Passat, *2.7T S4 Swapped* Own
1985.5 944NA Sold to younger brother
1983 944NA, Traded for another 1983 944NA
1983 944NA Gave to my Dad for being Awesome.


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 Post subject: Re: 82 924 with Audi V8
PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:35 am 
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You’re getting on well mate! As with all these jobs it will be the final 5% that will take 95% of the time but will 95% of the difference in finish quality. Learning a new material / skill is rarely a waste of time and will come in useful in the future.

Speedo triggering - ah, that sounds perfect then. Hopefully it has the same size / number of teeth on the trigger wheel in the turbo gearbox as it does in the A8 and the A8 dash / ECU will be happy and calibrated. If you’re fitting the plastic tank you’ll have the same issues as me getting the fuel sender to read correctly to the dash. I’ve not read anyone having issues or a solution so maybe it isn’t a problem, but it would be mighty convenient if they both have the same resistance profile. I don’t know if any square dash 944s got the plastic tank or any oval dash models had the metal tank. If they did, the parts must be transferable, which would be perfect!

I’m using the wiring from a Ford Fiesta ST150 (mk5 2001-08). I have bought a Haynes manual (don’t think you had the misfortune of them in the US!) but the diagrams are a bit lacking! For example they don’t include a engine bay wiring diagram incase it’s used to learn how to steal them!! :dope:

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 Post subject: Re: 82 924 with Audi V8
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:06 am 
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Thank you my friend! I appreciate that, It is taking time, but It will look pretty good once done. least I hope so lol! I will be ordering in more Blue Vinyl to make the upper section of the Dash one piece and to finish off my Door cards and other parts.

Speedo triggering- I hope it works out like what my brain is thinking. if anything. I might be able to change the sensor and diff cover to match the A8s, but will see how that works out later on. I am going to use the plastic tank and get away from the small 16 gallon steel tank. It will be interesting to so how it works with the A8 cluster and all. Porsche changed all the tanks for the Oval dash cars, none of them came with the steel tanks. I do have to change mine though to accommodate the 944 Turbo gearbox I will be using.
for resistance I wonder if you could use some form of a diode to match it. I will dig into that as well.

For the wiring I will drop my good friend a line. he can get loads of diagrams. he hooked me up with all the Diagrams for my VW and Audi stuff. If he can get anything. I will send you an email with the diagrams ^_^

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1982 924 *Audi V8 Swap In Progress*
1985.5 944 NA *3.0L 16V swapped* Own
1987 944 Turbo *3.0l 8V* Own.
1987 944 NA Own
1991 944S2 Own
2001 VW Passat, *2.7T S4 Swapped* Own
1985.5 944NA Sold to younger brother
1983 944NA, Traded for another 1983 944NA
1983 944NA Gave to my Dad for being Awesome.


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 Post subject: Re: 82 924 with Audi V8
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:07 am 
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Sorry for the forum quiet lol. But I habe gotten more stuff accomplished over the past few weeks.
A8 steering column is in.
Pedal box is mounted and set.
Accelerator pedal is in.
Coolant reservoir is in.
Rough fit of A8 instrument cluster done.
Intake spacers in.
Fabricated my headers.
And lots of wiring.
The bonnet shuts with out hitting or rubbing on anything
.more to come :-)


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1982 924 *Audi V8 Swap In Progress*
1985.5 944 NA *3.0L 16V swapped* Own
1987 944 Turbo *3.0l 8V* Own.
1987 944 NA Own
1991 944S2 Own
2001 VW Passat, *2.7T S4 Swapped* Own
1985.5 944NA Sold to younger brother
1983 944NA, Traded for another 1983 944NA
1983 944NA Gave to my Dad for being Awesome.
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 Post subject: Re: 82 924 with Audi V8
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:40 am 
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Glad to see you're persevering. Seeing the modern Audi wheel on the old 924 dash is confusing to the eye, but it's all part of the contrast of this build.

The 3 master cylinders seems an odd arrangement to me. Also metal reservoirs like 1960's cars? or do you top up the fluid elsewhere?

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 Post subject: Re: 82 924 with Audi V8
PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:05 pm 
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Thanks man.
I am using the Audi wheel and column so I have usage of the instrument cluster modes, radio control and cruise functions. The steering wheel will be blanked out so no note of the Audi Badge.

The 3 master cylinders are part of my pedal box set up for the Manual brakes and clutch control. The metal style I do like since they hold far more fluid and will be easier to bleed the system.


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1982 924 *Audi V8 Swap In Progress*
1985.5 944 NA *3.0L 16V swapped* Own
1987 944 Turbo *3.0l 8V* Own.
1987 944 NA Own
1991 944S2 Own
2001 VW Passat, *2.7T S4 Swapped* Own
1985.5 944NA Sold to younger brother
1983 944NA, Traded for another 1983 944NA
1983 944NA Gave to my Dad for being Awesome.
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